Episode 9
The Crystal Connection: Navigating Your Spiritual Path with Vivien Chapra
Howling at the Moon episode #9
Two healers. Two parallel journeys. One shared mission.
In this inspiring conversation, Heatherleigh Strom welcomes Vivien Chapra, award-winning teacher, author, and founder of CrystalHealingTechnique.com , to explore the art and science of crystal healing, the courage to follow your soul’s guidance, and the planetary mission of spiritual healers.
From life-changing visions and international moves, to co-creating a textbook on crystal surgery, Vivien shares how crystals like white apophyllite and crazy lace agate can profoundly shift our energy. Together, she and Heatherleigh discuss the parallels between their awakening journeys, the discipline of staying in your lane, and the collaborative power of crystals and spirit guides in healing work.
🌀 You’ll learn:
• The healing frequencies of white apophyllite & crazy lace agate
• How to discern and trust intuitive guidance
• Why spirit guides sometimes “make you work” for answers
• How to bring spiritual healing into the mainstream with professionalism and integrity
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Recorded Live June 2024
We're diving into a colorful conversation today with the brilliant Vivien Chapra, a crystal expert who's all about helping us follow our genuine paths! Vivien shares her journey of spiritual awakening and how she harnesses the power of crystals to elevate our energy and well-being. We chat about the magic of white apophyllite, a high-frequency crystal that can raise our vibrations and bring a sense of balance when life feels a bit off-kilter. Plus, we explore how listening to our inner guidance can lead to amazing transformations and a deeper connection with our true selves. So grab your favorite crystal, get comfy, and let’s embark on this enlightening adventure together!
Join Heather Leigh Strom and crystal expert Vivien Chapra as they embark on a fascinating exploration of spiritual awakening and the power of crystals in our lives. Vivien, who has a rich background in energy healing and education, shares her incredible story of transformation and the creation of her schools focused on healing arts. Throughout this lively episode, Heather Leigh and Vivien discuss how to navigate the often tumultuous waters of self-discovery while using crystals to enhance one's journey. They emphasize the importance of community, the courage to take risks, and the joy of connecting with one’s true essence. The lighthearted yet profound exchange highlights the significance of intuition and the subtle messages from spirit guides. Listeners will find inspiration through their shared insights on the healing potential within each of us and the beautiful relationship we can cultivate with the crystals that surround us. Whether you’re a seasoned crystal enthusiast or just curious about the power of energy healing, this episode is filled with laughter, wisdom, and empowering messages that encourage you to embrace your unique path.
Takeaways:
- In this episode, we dive into the transformative world of crystals and how they can guide us on our spiritual journeys, helping us to reconnect with our true selves.
- Vivien Chapra shares her incredible experiences with spirit guides and how they have influenced her healing practices, highlighting the importance of listening to our intuition.
- We discuss the significance of following your inner calling, taking risks, and trusting the journey even when the path ahead seems unclear or daunting.
- Vivien explains the unique properties of apophyllite and other crystals, and how they can be used in energy work to elevate our vibrational frequency and promote healing.
- The conversation emphasizes the importance of community and shared experiences, as both Heather Leigh and Vivien find parallels in their personal journeys of spiritual awakening and healing.
- We explore the idea that everyone has a unique gift to share with the world, encouraging listeners to embrace their own spiritual paths and find their voices in the healing arts.
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Transcript
Welcome, beautiful souls.
Speaker A:I have an incredible interview to share with you today.
Speaker A:I'm joining forces with a great friend and an incredible crystal mentor.
Speaker A:And we're going to be sharing a lot today about how to follow your genuine path, listening to your core essence, and using the power of crystals to assist in your journey from an incredible crystal expert.
Speaker A:So stay with me.
Speaker A:I'll be right back.
Speaker B:Welcome to Howling at the Moon, where the mystical meets the practical and the canine spirit guides lead the way.
Speaker B:I'm your host, Heather lee Strom.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:For five decades, the world felt cold and confusing.
Speaker B:Now I see the patterns, the purpose and the bigger magical picture.
Speaker B:My mission, to help you find your way through your own awakening journey.
Speaker B:Here you'll discover limitless path possibilities for spiritual growth, powerful healing frequencies, and extraordinary energetic professionals, each designed to guide you into deeper healing and remembrance.
Speaker B:Some episodes feature enlightening wisdom from spiritually evolved guest healers, visionaries and authors.
Speaker B:Others are led by the multidimensional canine spirit guides themselves, sharing their unique intergalactic wisdom and frequency.
Speaker B:If you've been craving deeper truth, multidimensional healing and a little cosmic magic, you've just found your pack.
Speaker B:Listen and watch on Spotify or YouTube and bring the magic back into your life.
Speaker A:So today I have a very special guest, Vivian Chopra, who is an award winning teacher, an author and energy healing, energy healer practitioner.
Speaker A:She has founded three schools, the Alexander Technique of Cincinnati, Four Winds Academy for the Healing Arts and Sciences, and CrystalHealingTechnique.com which is for training practitioners of crystal surgery.
Speaker A:Vivian is also the author of several books including Everyday Magic, which is an account of her personal story, and the Complete Guide to Crystal Surgery, a huge textbook, which is beautiful.
Speaker A:A step by step textbook for her students in her program.
Speaker A:Currently, Vivian also runs her private practice, writes a column for the Relatable Voice magazine, and is a radio show host for the chakra show on healthylife.net really excited to introduce her to you, Vivian.
Speaker A:Welcome to Howling at the Moon with the canine Guides.
Speaker A:I'm so excited to share you with the world on my podcast.
Speaker A:Welcome.
Speaker C:Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker C:Heather Lee.
Speaker C:I'm excited too because, you know, it feels like an honor.
Speaker C:Out of all the people that I've interviewed, you just rose to the top as being someone extra interesting, extra exciting and extra important and significant, you know, and so it just feels like an honor for you to interview me also and to give me this opportunity.
Speaker C:I'm so thrilled.
Speaker C:I really admire your work.
Speaker C:And so I feel good.
Speaker C:I feel good to be here.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:And that.
Speaker A:And that is how we met.
Speaker A:I wanted to kind of share that story.
Speaker A:My publicist put us together last year for an interview on your show.
Speaker A:And the whole time I was talking with you, it wasn't video, it was only audio.
Speaker A:So I couldn't see.
Speaker A:You see people, you know, to connect visually with people.
Speaker A:And it was so hard for me to just connect on the phone.
Speaker A:But the whole time we were talking, the canine guides are like shouting in my ear.
Speaker A:You've got to get to know this person better.
Speaker A:She's very important to.
Speaker A:With her mission that she's providing.
Speaker A:And it also sort of integrate.
Speaker A:Integrates with my mission as well, which we'll talk about a little bit, too.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker C:There'S a lot of parallels between us.
Speaker C:And that's one of the things that really struck me because I've also been downloading information from other were from the crystals and from spirit guides and so on, and so are you.
Speaker C:And we've been selected by the other side, and I think they try to get other people to.
Speaker C:But we heard them and we responded and we were willing to write and so on.
Speaker C:So it's not as if we're the only ones selected, but we are the ones who responded.
Speaker C:And that was what struck me when talking to you, Heatherly, is that you in a very similar position to me.
Speaker C:And we both were probably going, what?
Speaker C:What now?
Speaker C:You know.
Speaker C:Are you serious?
Speaker C:Because certainly I was in that.
Speaker C:In that position.
Speaker C:Sorry to interrupt, but I. I couldn't.
Speaker C:I can't help.
Speaker C:I'm so enthusiastic about the parallels between us.
Speaker C:It feels good.
Speaker A:It does feel good.
Speaker A:And it's very.
Speaker A:There are so many of us that have a similar story.
Speaker A:And that's what's so exciting right now, is that so many people are answering the call.
Speaker A:And that's a scary place when you don't know where you're going.
Speaker A:You're just following step by step by step by step.
Speaker A:It takes tremendous amount of trust and faith.
Speaker A:And so those of us.
Speaker C:And dedication.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And a willingness to take a risk.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:To step outside of who we thought we were, you know, and discover who we actually are and who we can be.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:And Heather Lee, can I just add that what's very important to me on my show is that we have regular people, not celebrities who've got, like, a PR machine behind them, but regular people such as ourselves, who've taken the risk and have put in all that extra hard work to get the messages out.
Speaker C:And there's no machine or huge team of people behind us.
Speaker C:We have what we have, and we have the other side.
Speaker C:And that's where I'm hoping that every single person realizes they've got something special to offer, too.
Speaker C:They just need to hear and take some risks.
Speaker C:And that's very important to me because every single person has this potential.
Speaker C:In my understanding.
Speaker A:Yes, that's my understanding as well.
Speaker A:And that's kind of where both of our journeys collide and meet and mesh is because my work is so similar to yours and.
Speaker A:And waking people up and getting them connected to that part of themselves so they can hear and they can take action and understand what they're here to fulfill.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So with no further ado, let's hear a little bit more about your journey.
Speaker A:What brought you to this point in your life and what your actual mission is and your knowledge of crystals?
Speaker C:Well, my journey is very interesting.
Speaker C:So interesting that I also wrote a book, and that's this one, Everyday Magic.
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker C:I guess you could call it a memoir, but I think that it's more a case study.
Speaker C:And it's written in a way that people will be able to relate to it as themselves they can, because.
Speaker C:And many people write to me after reading the book, and they say, I feel like my story and your story is so similar.
Speaker C:And I think that is the truth.
Speaker C:We all actually have similar parallel stories, just like you and me.
Speaker C:We have these similar parallel stories, but so does everybody else.
Speaker C:The spirit guides are there trying to contact and connect with everybody.
Speaker C:And those who hear them, will their lives change, as we know.
Speaker C:And when I wrote the book, my intention was just to talk about my story after I'd written it.
Speaker C:And it did take me six drafts in seven years.
Speaker C:And after I wrote it, I noticed something really interesting.
Speaker C:In every single chapter, the spirit guides appeared.
Speaker C:And that wasn't a conscious thing for me until I reread my own book.
Speaker C:And then I realized, hey, this isn't a book about me.
Speaker C:This is a book about how the spirit guides interact with us to steer our lives.
Speaker C:So that's one of the things that's in this book.
Speaker C:That's one of the themes.
Speaker C:It's also the.
Speaker C:Another theme is about teachers.
Speaker C:And that was.
Speaker C:It was a book by Dan Millman, the Way of the Peaceful Warrior.
Speaker C:And I read that book, and I thought, wow, I wish I had a teacher like that.
Speaker A:I read that book as a child.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:I was a teenager and I thought, well, I couldn't have been a teenager.
Speaker C:I was in my 20s probably, and, or maybe I was in my 30s.
Speaker C:But I, I read the book and I thought, I wish I had a teacher like that.
Speaker C:And then I went, no, but that is a synthesis, that's a synthesis of multiple teachers.
Speaker C:And then later I read in the forward that that truly was the case.
Speaker C:And I went, I have had the most extraordinary teachers in my life.
Speaker C:And this is a book about teachers as well.
Speaker C:It's very similar in that regard to the Way of the Peaceful warriors because it shows how I got guided into these different things.
Speaker C:So there's a little bit about that and that's more sort of about the book.
Speaker C:But I, I, I just had some, there are some amazing stories that I can't believe in the book about how I got communicated with and steered.
Speaker C:And it was really a matter of taking some leaps of faith and just following the guidance.
Speaker C:And the guidance came to, to me in various ways.
Speaker C:There was also a book, God Speaks to Us through Other People, you know, and there was definitely that element where I had to hear what other people were saying to me and there'd be a theme.
Speaker C:And I'll give an example.
Speaker C:We very much wanted to immigrate to the United States of America.
Speaker C:And, you know, it's not an easy thing to do.
Speaker C:You know, we weren't going to just try and run across the border or something.
Speaker C:And it was not at all easy.
Speaker C:And then a strange thing started to happen.
Speaker C:I was an Alexander teacher in Cape Town, and there were only a few of us that had qualified as Alexander technique teachers in South Africa.
Speaker C:And I kept getting calls from Johannesburg.
Speaker C:And after the third call, I thought, I wonder what's going on.
Speaker C:I really wonder what's going on here.
Speaker C:And I better make a list and take the phone numbers of these people.
Speaker C:Because the first person, I said, sorry, you know, there's no Alexander teachers in Johannesburg.
Speaker C:The second person called that same week, I said, sorry, no, there's no Alexander teachers in South Africa.
Speaker C:Third person called and I went, I think I should be, I think I better be recording these names and phone numbers now.
Speaker C: I'm talking in the: Speaker C:And then sure enough, the following week, I got a whole bunch more calls.
Speaker C:And I went, there really is something going on.
Speaker C:I need to go, I'm being called to Johannesburg.
Speaker C:I need to go there now.
Speaker C:The logistics were a nightmare, but my son aiden was only 18 months old and I'm not one to Go driving around in strange cities and so on.
Speaker C:So Neil and I both went up to Johannesburg.
Speaker C:We took Aiden with us.
Speaker C:Our second son wasn't born yet, and it was a logistic nightmare.
Speaker C:We had to find somewhere to stay where we could also work.
Speaker C:And at the last minute, this whole beautiful home became available and everything started to fall into place.
Speaker C:And we sent our car up by rail to Johannesburg, as well as some of our Alexander technique equipment, and we were incredibly successful.
Speaker C:I where there was a group of meditation people, and they all wanted Alexander lessons because they'd heard that this would help them with a more upright spine.
Speaker C:And that's what the Alexander Technique is, I should say.
Speaker C:It's about retraining postural and habitual patterns.
Speaker C:And so people wanted for meditation so that their spine can be correctly aligned for the energy to move correctly.
Speaker C:And so then that's what appealed to them.
Speaker C:And so that whole group of 10 people was wanting lessons.
Speaker C:And then there were some stragglers who heard we were coming.
Speaker C:But by the end of the week, we had a full book.
Speaker C:I was seeing 12 people a day, and Neil was seeing 10 people a day, and the phone was ringing off the hook.
Speaker C: on, because we're talking the: Speaker C:You know, it was iconic.
Speaker C:There was the tree branch across the moon and the clouds.
Speaker C:There wasn't an owl hooting, but it was as if there was an owl hooting.
Speaker C:And I fell into this trance and this whole vision came to me.
Speaker C:I saw the city of Cincinnati in Ohio rolling out a red carpet to me and inviting me across the ocean to go to the usa.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:And Owen.
Speaker C:Oh.
Speaker C:Because Johannesburg is built on seven hills and Cincinnati is built on seven hills.
Speaker C:Both are landlocked.
Speaker C:There are similarities, There are parallels between those two cities.
Speaker C:And once I was in Johannesburg, I was able to get the vision of how to get into the United States, how to get our green cards and get access to the United States of America.
Speaker C:And so then it unfolded from there, and.
Speaker C:And it was successful.
Speaker C:And it was by answering the call, because I'm telling you, Heatherly, everybody said, why are you going to Johannesburg?
Speaker C:I mean, I didn't understand the concept when I was young.
Speaker C:I mean, at that time, I was young.
Speaker C:I was in my early 30s.
Speaker C:And I just qualified as an Alexander teacher when I turned 28 years old.
Speaker C:And then I became very Popular.
Speaker C:And I didn't realize it, but it's what we call now trending.
Speaker C:I was trending in the country.
Speaker C:Even though I was in Cape Town, in all the magazines like Cosmopolitan and everything like newspapers.
Speaker C:Everybody was making this grand fuss and all the celebrities were coming to me and I was just.
Speaker C:But I. I was naive and I was innocent and I didn't really understand what was happening.
Speaker C:But I was so busy.
Speaker C:I was seeing 73 appointments per week.
Speaker C:These were half hour appointments.
Speaker C:It was grueling and it was like people were saying, but why are you going to Johannesburg?
Speaker C:Because I didn't need to go to Johannesburg to earn money, but there was a reason.
Speaker C:And I said, I don't know.
Speaker C:I don't know why I'm going to Johannesburg, but I'm being called there.
Speaker A:You followed?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You listened and I will find out when I get there why I'm supposed to go.
Speaker C:And when I was in Johannesburg on that weekend, I figured out how to get green cards and get into the United States of America.
Speaker C:And I'm not.
Speaker C:Where do I live?
Speaker C:In Cincinnati, Ohio, usa, per the vision.
Speaker C:We followed the vision and it all worked out.
Speaker C:It was amazing.
Speaker A:And how long have you been there now?
Speaker C:33 years.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker C:Quite a nice number, isn't it?
Speaker C:So, yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I started.
Speaker C:My very first desire was to be a teacher and then also naturally a writer.
Speaker C:That's sort of my natural gift is writing.
Speaker C:It's like my natural talent, which is really interesting to have a natural talent because it's so different from the ones where you plod through to learn the skills and so on.
Speaker C:So I rather like that.
Speaker C:Writing is a natural talent for me and I'm grateful for it.
Speaker C:And then I wanted to be a teacher, but I realized I didn't want to be a teacher in institutions.
Speaker C:I couldn't bear the thought of listening to the school bell ringing for the rest of my life and this whole syllabus thing, being told what to do and stuff like that.
Speaker C:So you know, I thought, well, what?
Speaker C:Whatever.
Speaker C:And then When I was 11 years old, my teacher said to me, there's an article on clinical psychology in that magazine.
Speaker C:It was a career magazine for.
Speaker C:For children.
Speaker C:You might want to take a look at it.
Speaker C:And I just looked at her and I went, that's what I'm going to become, a clinical psychologist.
Speaker C:And she just looked at me.
Speaker C:And it was because I had this thing inside me which I do talk about in everyday Magic, where a bell would ring when I heard a truth, like a little bell ringing.
Speaker C:Inside.
Speaker C:And you know, I didn't realize it, but of course that's intuition.
Speaker C:And I was naturally intuitive and also a very logical person.
Speaker C:So, you know, things get hidden from you when you're kind of on the cusp of logical intuition and those kind of faculties, then you don't really realize and you don't really understand what's going on with other people.
Speaker C:But I'm right there in the middle.
Speaker C:You know, if you do Myers, Briggs or one of those personality tests, I'm always coming up right in the middle of all those different functions.
Speaker C:So anyway, I've decided at the age of 11 to become a clinical psychologist.
Speaker C:But I got blocked and I got blocked because there was a professor who was not a good person and I kind of reported him, I kind of told on him and that was a bad political move.
Speaker C:And so I got continuing with clinical psychology.
Speaker C:Now he later got booted out because other people got on to the fact that he was actually, you know, not a good egg.
Speaker C:But, but it was, but, but I was actually just being steered another direction.
Speaker C:And that was the Alexander technique.
Speaker C:And when I was working as an Alexander teacher and seeing all those people, I had this one experience where this Greek guy, he was a martial artist karate instructor, he came and right after him came this beautiful young woman who was a cellist and she was literally dressed in white like an angel.
Speaker C:So here this big Greek martial artist guy is leaving my appointment room and in comes this amazing young woman who's a cellist and like an angel and a fairy and, you know, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker C:Even dressed down, down to being dressed in white.
Speaker C:And the energy shift, the yin yang energy shift was so strong.
Speaker C:And I wasn't into this, you know, new age woo woo stuff.
Speaker C:It was what happened.
Speaker C:It was an experience for me.
Speaker C:And this energy yin yang energy shift from the extreme yang to the extremian spun me around and made me dizzy so that I landed sort of flopping into the chair and I was dizzy and I had to collect myself.
Speaker C:And I was like, it was such a clear experience.
Speaker C:And so that started to interest me in the energy field.
Speaker C:And as I kind of discovered it, I discovered it.
Speaker C:I mean, one and I discovered the intuition and I discovered mental telepathy.
Speaker C:I mean, I had one client lying on the table and he said.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker C:Said I can't really do this and relax.
Speaker C:Is that taking him through a meditation for the chakra colors?
Speaker C:I knew a little bit about energy work and a new little bit about the, about the chakras because obviously that was going to be interesting to me, but I didn't know a lot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I said, well, let's do a meditation through the.
Speaker C:The chakra colors.
Speaker C:I was doing a guided meditation, and I told him to think of the colors.
Speaker C:And then I said, but not in so stripes, like a color palette.
Speaker C:I said, you know, you got to let them be swirly.
Speaker C:And he got very upset, and he glared at me and he said, are you reading my mind?
Speaker C:And I went, oh.
Speaker C:Because I was.
Speaker C:But I didn't realize it.
Speaker C:I was just seeing the pictures of what he was seeing in his mind.
Speaker C:I was so innocent about it all.
Speaker C:And, you know, anyway, so that, you know, there's these stories.
Speaker C:I mean, there was one guy, I was holding his head, and I couldn't feel his feet.
Speaker C:And, you know, the whole thing for an Alexander teacher is that you can literally feel through somebody else's systems and you can feel their physical being, and you can feel what's going on with them.
Speaker C:And, you know, so it's an excellent platform for.
Speaker C:For energy healing work.
Speaker C:And that's what I use in my private practice now.
Speaker C:I use all three of these different things that I'm able to do and more than that.
Speaker C:And so I'm holding his head and I go, why can't I feel your feet and your legs below your knees, huh?
Speaker C:And he says, because when I was five years old, they were going to amputate my legs just below the knees.
Speaker C:And my uncle carried me out of the hospital on his back.
Speaker C:And they came the story.
Speaker C:And I'm like, wow, how weird is that that I could feel that and know that.
Speaker C:Anyway, it kind of built up over time.
Speaker C:And back in South Africa, I stuck purely with the Alexander technique.
Speaker C:But once I came here to the United States, the crystals kidnapped me.
Speaker C:I'd heard about crystal healing.
Speaker C:I was in awe and admiration.
Speaker C:I love crystals.
Speaker C:I tell the stories about that.
Speaker C:It's all, you know, it's all here in the book.
Speaker C:And I was very, extremely attracted to crystals.
Speaker C:And I had a few.
Speaker C:And they were on an attache, you know, shelf, you know, with glass.
Speaker C:And it was decor in my.
Speaker C:In.
Speaker C:In our school room and.
Speaker C:Which was also my.
Speaker C:In my studio for giving sessions.
Speaker C:Nice big rooms, you know, I always like a nice big room to work in.
Speaker C:And the crystals called me over, and this.
Speaker C:The woman on the table, she was actually the mother Superior of her orders.
Speaker C:None.
Speaker C:And she was actually the mother Superior.
Speaker C:And a crystal calls me over and says, I want to work on her.
Speaker C:Oh, I don't know.
Speaker C:What's going on?
Speaker C:I didn't know what was going on.
Speaker C:I thought, what.
Speaker C:So anyway, I'd get.
Speaker C:Pick up the crystal.
Speaker C:And it was a crystal we'd bought in a junk store in a town called Kna.
Speaker C:It's a resort town on the Garden Route in the.
Speaker C:In the Cape.
Speaker C:In the Cape Province.
Speaker C:It was the Cape Province.
Speaker C:And I don't know what.
Speaker C:It's all.
Speaker C:I think it's still the Cape Province in South Africa.
Speaker C:They changed some of the names when.
Speaker C: In the: Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:But we'd already left.
Speaker C: We left South Africa in: Speaker C:So anyway, this crystal, it kind of dragged me around the table.
Speaker C:You know how a dog can pull you?
Speaker C:Well, you'll know how a dog can put you on a lead.
Speaker C:Well, there it was.
Speaker C:The crystal was just like a canine spirit guide pulling me on the lead and.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker C:And I just like, went over her body and I did stuff.
Speaker C:And we were both completely silent.
Speaker C:Now, this mother's superior, this.
Speaker C:This woman, she's no longer with us, but she had the most extraordinary, extraordinary healing capacities.
Speaker C:We would do healing circles that she would lead, and you could feel the etheric energy form pillars, actual pillars in the room, and she could heal people of cancer and all kinds of.
Speaker C:There were a few stories where people arrived for their surgery and the doctor would say, let me check one more time before I actually cut you.
Speaker C:And you'd go, I don't know what happened, but it's gone.
Speaker C:Yeah, true stories.
Speaker C:Anyway, she.
Speaker C:She.
Speaker C:And here's.
Speaker C:It's a word of caution.
Speaker C:She was not trained as a healer, and she was using her own energy, which some of the shaman do, do that.
Speaker C:And it uses you up, and it is what happened to you.
Speaker C:You know, if you want to do healing, you.
Speaker C:It's better to have skill sets that you use than to use yourself as the.
Speaker C:As the healing convert.
Speaker C:Because it.
Speaker C:It can be.
Speaker C:It can be debilitating, and it can even be toxic.
Speaker C:You do have to be careful about it.
Speaker C:And it is one of the reasons that I started Four Winds Academy for the Healing Arts and Sciences.
Speaker C:And how that came about was that we had the Alexander schoolroom and we had all the tables and we had the space and everything.
Speaker C:And then I got a message in the way that we get messages where we don't know if it's an idea of our own or if it's something that came in from outside.
Speaker C:And I'm with that.
Speaker C:But boom.
Speaker C:I was told you must use this space 247 or if not 24 7, 12, 7.
Speaker C:You've got all this equipment, you need another school.
Speaker C:There's a school for training healers because healing needs to become a full on profession during the 21st century.
Speaker C:And in order for it to become a full on profession there needs to be schools and proper professional training.
Speaker C:And that's why I established Foreign Academy for the Healing Arts and Sciences.
Speaker C:Did I need more work?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:I had a young family, I was way into martial arts, doing taekwondo, I was playing racquetball, I was, I had a full on busy private practice.
Speaker C:I already had an Alexander Technik training course.
Speaker C:So it was busy, busy, busy.
Speaker C:And here comes another.
Speaker A:Never convenient.
Speaker C:We did it.
Speaker C:And that school, that school was shown to me and it was my job to bring it into the school.
Speaker C:And actually the presentation that we're going to do on July 13th is technically a Four Winds Academy presentation.
Speaker C:And it's because Mitch, she's also someone who's working to establish healing the healing professions in a more mainstreamly acceptable way.
Speaker C:And I think that her work is very, very, very important for establishing energy healing as a viable profession in our society.
Speaker C:And you know, it's.
Speaker C:And, and that's why I, I wanted her to also speak in that free call because I think anyone who's committed to energy healing in which, whichever modality, but if they committed to it and want to see it grow and be more accessible for people and more respected and to be able to reach more then we need to become a little bit more mainstream and we need to be able to show yes, we truly are professionals.
Speaker C:And so that's why I was so excited when I met Mid.
Speaker C:I was so excited when I met you, Heather Lee.
Speaker C:And I was so excited to, when I met Mitch Murphy.
Speaker C:And that's why we're going to do that presentation together because I think it's going to be, I think it's going to be an amazing thing for us to do as a team together because we committed to that professionalism even though what we're doing is hardly regarded as mainstream yet.
Speaker C:But there we are, we have to do it.
Speaker C:We're messengers and we're mentors and we're being guided and all the things that I do, and I'm not one to wing it, but all the things that we do, it's from guidance, isn't it?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker A:And I, I'm, I'm like you, I'm a very systematic, logical person and for me to just throw that all out the window and follow my gut is really hard.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:And that's what was so hard for me with the crystal surgery and the crystals was.
Speaker C:It was like I was.
Speaker C:It felt like I was making it up as I go along, and it's not my style.
Speaker C:My style is to go and get a proper training, to have textbooks and so on.
Speaker C:And so, you know, long story short, because, you know, what am I going to do?
Speaker C:There's just too much to say.
Speaker C:I ended up researching crystal surgery for 25 years and then turned it into this textbook because that's one way you can become more mainstream.
Speaker C:Let me just get this.
Speaker A:That is a beautiful book.
Speaker A:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker A:That book just speaks to me.
Speaker A:There's so much frequency coming off of that book, Vivian.
Speaker A:It's amazing.
Speaker A:Amazing.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker C:You know, it's 25 years of research and development, and then, of course, the writing of the book and the photography and everything, it just, you know, it's.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's been wonderful.
Speaker C:And you know what?
Speaker C:We've only got four copies left from this print run.
Speaker C:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker C:It's basically, we.
Speaker C:It's sold out, and we're about to reprint in paperback.
Speaker C:And it's kind of exciting that people are responding this well.
Speaker C:And I feel like the name Crystal Surgery is getting out there and people are.
Speaker C:I know that other Crystal Healing authors and developers are in respect of this book.
Speaker C:And it feels good.
Speaker C:It feels good.
Speaker C:But I cannot claim it as my work because in this book, in this book, it's 100 years worth of work that it represents.
Speaker C:I mean, there's over 100 techniques and procedures, and they're well researched and documented.
Speaker C:And it's designed so that if you follow the procedures and the steps correctly, you'll get the same results as I do.
Speaker C:It's not from personal gift or skill or talent.
Speaker C:It's from technical accuracy as well as intention and what is in your heart.
Speaker C:You can never take that out of anything we do.
Speaker C:People want to call it placebo.
Speaker C:Intention and what is in your heart.
Speaker C:Yes, it's just as important, but that must be married to technique and procedure and accuracy and respect.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Respect for what is and why it is.
Speaker C:And that's the only way we can get the changes we want.
Speaker C:You know, so there is a huge amount in here, and.
Speaker C:But it's a download.
Speaker C:There's no way a human being can do that on her own.
Speaker C:There's just no way.
Speaker C:So between the crystals and the teamwork from the Crystals.
Speaker C:And the crystals telling me what to do.
Speaker C:The spirit guides helping me have some very, very powerful spirit guides that come through in.
Speaker A:Yes, you do.
Speaker C:Very, very clear man.
Speaker C:And they used to speak to me in riddles.
Speaker C:And then I have this amazing intuitive.
Speaker C:She came to me, she wanted to do an exchange with me.
Speaker C:And she, she.
Speaker C:She died.
Speaker C:She's lying on my table.
Speaker C:She says, why do your spirit guides talk to you in riddles?
Speaker C:I said, I don't know, but make them stop because I can't stand it.
Speaker C:You know, when I was establishing Four Winds Academy, they.
Speaker C:I needed a name.
Speaker C:And they.
Speaker C:All they would tell me was, the name is under your nose.
Speaker C:Thank you, but you need to help me.
Speaker C:And they.
Speaker C:And I said, but what is the name of this academy you want me to establish?
Speaker C:I said, the name is under your nose.
Speaker C:So one day I'm standing in my kitchen and I'm looking at the mail and there's the address.
Speaker C:We live on Four Winds Drive.
Speaker C:And I look up and then.
Speaker C:And the name is under my nose because.
Speaker C:Because I'm looking and I look across the road and there's our street sign, Four Winds Drive.
Speaker C:And I go, four Winds Academy.
Speaker C:And it's been a wonderful name.
Speaker C:It's been the right name.
Speaker C:And it's like the name was under my nose.
Speaker C:But why couldn't they just tell me.
Speaker A:That'S what some people don't understand about spirit guides is that they're not always correct.
Speaker A:They have a sense of humor and sometimes they're not just going to hand it to you.
Speaker A:They want you to.
Speaker A:To meet them halfway and figure they want you to work.
Speaker C:They want to.
Speaker C:You have to show your commitment.
Speaker C:And yeah, the other thing about spirit guides, at the least, they don't understand money.
Speaker C:I've had to give them lectures.
Speaker A:They don't understand time either.
Speaker C:They don't understand time.
Speaker C:They don't understand lecture money.
Speaker C:So I, I said to them, this all takes money.
Speaker C:We've got this thing called money here on earth.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And so the next time, the same intuitive that had asked about the riddles, but this was about five years later, she said, I just got a message from the guides that I must pay.
Speaker C:I must make a donation.
Speaker C:She did tithing.
Speaker C:I must make my donation to the winds and the only wins and those four winds.
Speaker C:So I had complained to the spirit guides what we need money.
Speaker C:And they ran off to that same in children and said, give the wins money.
Speaker C:She got the message.
Speaker C:And then her husband at that time, he used to send this check every month.
Speaker C:A donation to Four Winds Academy.
Speaker C:And he'd send it with a joke, like a Far side joke or something like that.
Speaker C:And then she went off to live in Sedona.
Speaker C:And so then she wasn't in Cincinnati anymore.
Speaker C:So there's some, there's some, you know, once you open your, your mind and your heart to this guidance.
Speaker C:There are such wonderful inspirational stories, aren't there?
Speaker C:It's just so extraordinary.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:When you can finally hear and connect.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:And then you have to understand how to interpret.
Speaker A:Sometimes like you just.
Speaker C:Oh, I know, I know.
Speaker C:Because you can go on a wild goose chase and I've seen that with other people, but I'm really, really careful.
Speaker C:I've got a three time rule.
Speaker C:They want me to do something, tell me three times, then I know it is you show me, give me the signs.
Speaker C:I, I, we, we contract for science so that I can get a, I can just be confirmed because I have seen people that are in highly intuitive and are connected to spirit guides.
Speaker C:Psychology can cut across that, fear can cut across that and ego can cut across that.
Speaker C:And I have seen them go on wild goose chases.
Speaker C:And I, I don't want to be part of that because I haven't got time for a while.
Speaker C:I haven't got energy.
Speaker C:That's my story.
Speaker C:I haven't got the time and the energy.
Speaker C:So for me to commit time and energy to something, I need it confirmed and I need to feel that support.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm not getting the support.
Speaker C:I can't proceed.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So that's always more, you know, more of a sign, you know, so, you know, so it's like I said, you know, I can't proceed without money.
Speaker C:So the money came in.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And, and when you have that two way communication, I think it's important for people to understand that we're not just in receiving mode, but we also have the capacity to ask for what we need to fulfill what we're being told to do.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:We're a team.
Speaker C:We're part of a team and, and then we, we must, there must be a back and forth, there must give, be a give and take.
Speaker C:So yeah, absolutely, yes.
Speaker C:Science is a big thing and I'm an empiricist.
Speaker C:I'm not one for, you know, these very limited scientific experiments that yield no information.
Speaker C:I mean I studied a soft science psychology and the nonsense that they would make us research like, oh, children need love.
Speaker C:You know, it's like, dudes, can we just move to what's actually groundbreaking and important?
Speaker C:So that's people like us, Heather, lead that are willing to take the risk.
Speaker C:But we still do our research and we are still using our logical faculties and we still have to be grounded and we still have to have an integrated body of knowledge that actually makes both internal and external sense.
Speaker C:And this is why I respect your work so much, because you're clearly on that same track.
Speaker C:Yes, I'm going to talk about something that people are going to say is woo, woo.
Speaker C:But I am going to make it external accessible because I do commit to a scientific method and.
Speaker C:And then I was studying a soft science and they make you do research.
Speaker C:And those are all the things that set me up and caused that.
Speaker C:The, the spirit guides to ask me to be the download for crystal surgery.
Speaker C:These are all these different elements.
Speaker C:The fact that I could be a writer, the fact that I was intuitive and willing to listen to them, the fact that I had studied the scientific method and all those different elements showed why it would be me that would be have the pleasure of doing this.
Speaker C:But I just want to say that I've been interviewing a lot of different people, Heatherly, and you just inspired me so much and I just felt like we were on parallel tracks and I wanted my community to get to meet you because of course people love dogs and that dogs are so important.
Speaker C:And I have a lot of people that are animal communicators and animal healing for animals and so on, and I want them to meet you.
Speaker C:And that's why I wanted to have you on the call as well, because I think that your work is very significant and also very accessible.
Speaker C:You know, the moment that we hear, oh, there's such a thing as canine spirit guides, we go, yeah, I did know that.
Speaker C:And then given us the.
Speaker C:You've given us the next.
Speaker C:I don't know if it's 3 to 10, I don't know how many levels up you've taken it, but it's.
Speaker C:You're giving us something that we don't.
Speaker C:Didn't have before.
Speaker C:And that is phenomenal.
Speaker C:Phenomenal.
Speaker A:It definitely is a whole new level.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:And because of that, they won't let me do the other stuff.
Speaker A:Like I'm like, why can't I communicate with dogs?
Speaker A:I'm doing all this work.
Speaker C:Why.
Speaker A:Why can't I hear what the dogs are saying?
Speaker A:No, no, because they don't want me to spend time there.
Speaker A:They're like, there's too many people doing that.
Speaker A:You need to stay in your lane where we put you.
Speaker C:I know, I know it's the same because I wanted to Write a general book about crystal healing.
Speaker C:And they said, vicki, they always tell me, anyone can do that.
Speaker C:Stay with what only you.
Speaker C:The part only you can do.
Speaker C:So you're saying, stay in your lane.
Speaker C:And they're just saying there is.
Speaker C:Because I said, well, why do I have to write for an ever smaller target market?
Speaker C:And they said, because you can and because you're not after fame.
Speaker C:And this is not about your ego.
Speaker C:This is about service.
Speaker C:And so.
Speaker C:And you're willing to do that, and you have to.
Speaker C:That growing tip is just the smallest point of a taproot, is the growing tip.
Speaker C:And it has to push down into the earth and get there.
Speaker C:And then all the other routes, root hairs have to come off that taproot.
Speaker C:And we are the tip of the taproot, just extending, you know, we're the radicals.
Speaker C:We are.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, I've always been a radical.
Speaker A:I have never conformed to anything in my life.
Speaker C:But we're radicals in a good way.
Speaker C:We're radical for building, you know, not.
Speaker C:Not, you know, we're not trying to tear anything down.
Speaker C:And we just were.
Speaker C:We're thought leaders.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I was hoping you'd give a little light to a couple of crystals that one of the canine spirit guides loves to use in her healing sessions.
Speaker A:And that is the number one crystal she loves is apophilite.
Speaker A:And I didn't even.
Speaker A:I didn't know this crystal existed.
Speaker A:I knew nothing about it until I got on a call with you and you could kind of shared with me what the capacity of this crystal is all about.
Speaker A:And then I finally began to understand why she was using it so much.
Speaker A:Would you like to share with us what this crystal is and what it does?
Speaker C:Sure, sure.
Speaker C:So Y. Aphelite.
Speaker C:I have a very nice cluster here.
Speaker C:I'll just hold it up.
Speaker A:Well, that's a big piece.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:And it comes in these points.
Speaker C:They call them pyramids.
Speaker C:It's got a flat base, and the points are.
Speaker C:Then this is a cluster of those pyramid points.
Speaker C:You can see that one there.
Speaker C:So that's a white apothegate.
Speaker C:Now, I use this a lot.
Speaker C:I use it in almost every session.
Speaker C:And I will explain.
Speaker C:Explain how.
Speaker C:Now, the thing with white apophyllite is it's got very high frequency.
Speaker C:It's the highest frequency tool that I use.
Speaker C:The Phenakite has a higher.
Speaker C:Has a higher frequency than white apophila, but it's too high for me.
Speaker C:It gives me an instant headache.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:But this is the high frequency for sophenakite's going to take you up into the ether.
Speaker C:So when I'm doing healing work, I really want people to be doing well here on planet Earth.
Speaker C:I'm really wanting to get their physical being, their physiological being, their mental being, their emotional being, as well as their spirit in an integration and a coordination.
Speaker C:And this is the highest frequency I would want to use because I needed to be able to relate to the.
Speaker C:The physical and physiological, not only the spiritual soul aspects.
Speaker C:And so for me, Phoenix is just too high a vibration.
Speaker C:Now, the thing with white apophyllitis, that the novice will mistake it for quartz, quartz is more gray in its appearance, whereas.
Speaker C:So this is a beautiful quartz crystal in a beautiful formation.
Speaker C:But it is.
Speaker C:You might be able to see especially close to where my baby finger is there.
Speaker C:It's kind of gray compared to the white apophyllite.
Speaker C:White apophyllite is silvery.
Speaker C:And it's that silver vibration that's very high and speaks to the spirit and the soul.
Speaker C:And so it's really.
Speaker C:It's really lovely.
Speaker C:And it really brings.
Speaker C:Raises vibrational frequencies.
Speaker C:So when we're not well or we depressed or we exhausted, our vibrational frequency starts to drop.
Speaker C:And then in crystal surgery, we have what we call a white light infusion.
Speaker C:And so we infuse the white light into the person to raise the vibrational frequency to bring them back into feeling well and balanced and energized.
Speaker C:And that's what I specifically use white apophyllite for.
Speaker C:So, and I do it in two ways.
Speaker C:I have a white apophilite bed, so that's another cluster.
Speaker C:And then I take the proxy crystals.
Speaker C:So I've attuned this to the client.
Speaker C:So this is for remote sessions.
Speaker C:And then I'll literally just have to adjust this.
Speaker C:See, let me do it this way.
Speaker C:And then I actually lay the proxy crystal on the apophyllite bed.
Speaker C:So I call this an apophyllite bed.
Speaker C:And I lay the crystal on, and then I also infuse from the top.
Speaker C:So I connect in.
Speaker C:So I need three hands here.
Speaker C:And I connect in.
Speaker C:And I also infuse from the top by using both these stones.
Speaker C:And so it's literally putting the person in a white apophyllite sandwich.
Speaker C:And I love white apophyllite.
Speaker C:You'll never see a big white apophyllite crystal like this.
Speaker C:White apophylite crystal is about that size.
Speaker C:This is.
Speaker C:And they come bigger than this, but not a lot bigger.
Speaker C:And they come in these clusters like.
Speaker C:So this is like a Stalactite.
Speaker C:You can see it's got a core to it and it's just, this is Indian material, it comes from India, and it's just an amazing, amazing stone.
Speaker C:And this other stone here, this is still bite.
Speaker C:And then, you know, it occurs together, they grow together and still bites also.
Speaker C:Obviously got wonderful properties, but white apophyllite is just, it's, it's a very, very high vibrational frequency and it invites you to a higher vibrational frequency.
Speaker C:I always like to use the word invite or you don't want to manipulate people's energy.
Speaker C:You want to invite the energy to start to shift and to change and you don't want to be forceful in any way.
Speaker C:And white apophyllite is not forceful, whereas I found the phenakite is a little bit too forceful, even though it's got a high vibration.
Speaker C:It's also very expensive, whereas this is not such an expensive stone and it's readily available.
Speaker C:This is, this is important when you're talking about crystals and crystal healing is you can run up incredible expense and so on.
Speaker C:And so the fact that Anthea, who I see is also a cheetah, one of my power animals, incidentally.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Not that I usually share about my power animals, but I have a big relationship with cats and the cat kingdom.
Speaker C:I myself am a Leo.
Speaker C:Astrologically, cheetahs are really, really important to me.
Speaker C:And people say, you know, what are you?
Speaker C:I say, I'm a cheetah.
Speaker C:I, I, I work in quick sprints and get stuff done, but then after that I have to rest.
Speaker C:And so, you know, I think of my energy as cheetah like and so on.
Speaker C:So it's very interesting to me.
Speaker C:And I love white apophila too, and it, and it's one of the important stones in crystal surgery.
Speaker C:So this is a crystal surgery wand.
Speaker C:What is a crystal surgery wand?
Speaker C:It's a wand that has certain stones in combination.
Speaker C:So white apophylite and metamorphosis quartz.
Speaker C:And I believe that these are surgical tools of the future.
Speaker C:They already do do laser surgery, which is a combination of ruby and copper tubing and careful design.
Speaker C: So that's from the: Speaker C:And they put crystals in physical therapy tools.
Speaker C:Of course, the pacemaker has got quartz in it to maintain the beat and so on.
Speaker C:So I think that these are also precursors to surgical tools of the future.
Speaker C:And I'm using them in crystal surgery and white apophyllites.
Speaker C:Very, very, very important in crystal surgery.
Speaker A:I had no idea how that happens.
Speaker C:Just beautiful.
Speaker C:Roads lead to Rome.
Speaker C:You know, we're.
Speaker C:We're.
Speaker C:You know, Heather Lee, we're dealing with the truth.
Speaker C:Truth.
Speaker C:I'm looking at truths.
Speaker C:You're looking at truth.
Speaker C:That's why I like you so much.
Speaker C:You know, just to say it perfectly, frankly, is I'm not listening to you and going channeled stuff.
Speaker C:I'm looking at you like, oh, I'm in the presence of truth.
Speaker C:It makes a big, big, big difference to me because, you know, we're not doing this just for fun.
Speaker C:We're doing it because it's the truth.
Speaker A:It's the truth, and it's what humanity requires to move us forward.
Speaker A:That's what's so beautiful.
Speaker C:You know that's right.
Speaker A:It's a planetary mission.
Speaker A:Although Anthea uses apophyllite just like a plant medicine.
Speaker A:It's incredible.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker C:And the way that I use crystals and crystal surgery, it's got a homeopathic aspect to it as well.
Speaker C:And, you know, we did also mention previously crazy lace agate.
Speaker C:Oh, yes, I did want to show.
Speaker C:I have a personal piece of crazy lace agate.
Speaker C:And you can see it's got.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's amazing.
Speaker C:The color of this one is unusual.
Speaker C:It's sort of green, kind of a greeny khaki color, but.
Speaker C:And then usually there's a pink and red lines in crazy lace agate.
Speaker C:This doesn't have it, but this is a personal piece, and it is really for helping the mind to coordinate because it just shows that kind of network that has to be going on in the nervous system in order to yield information and be able to access.
Speaker C:This is a personal meditation piece for me that's very calming and very soothing, but it's also invigorating and activating for the nervous system.
Speaker C:So, you know, I did want to share since I brought it along, and it didn't want to be left out.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:That's the thing.
Speaker C:They also sentient beings, and the crystals like to show off.
Speaker C:So, yeah, who am I to argue with the crystal?
Speaker C:So.
Speaker A:And Anthea has recently started.
Speaker A:I picked up a crazy lace agate at a show recently, and I didn't know why.
Speaker A:It just drew me to it.
Speaker A:Beautiful piece.
Speaker A:I should have brought it to show, but right away in that next session I did with Anthea, she brought in the crazy lace agate in that session, and she uses it differently than she does the apophyllite.
Speaker A:So I found that very fascinating.
Speaker A:And I keep asking, do I need to learn crystal surgery?
Speaker A:Do I need to know what all these crystals are and how to use them.
Speaker A:They say, no, no, no.
Speaker C:Let them do it.
Speaker C:Let them do it.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And the crystals.
Speaker C:And you can have it for yourself and see what comes out of it.
Speaker C:But you don't have to.
Speaker C:As soon as you said I was like, don't again, do stay in your lane.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:For yourself.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:You can explore them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, thank you so much, Vivian.
Speaker A:Love you dearly, my friend.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker C:Love you, too.
Speaker A:Love you all.
Speaker A:Thanks so much for watching, like, share and follow and let's take this journey together.
Speaker A:Bye.
