Conscious Coupling: Mystic & Skeptic—Can Love Survive Awakening?

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The Visica Pisces is two circles that come together partially right. They overlap and they form a third space.

But in this space of overlap where the two circles become one, basically you're birthing a third space, a third frequency that combines pieces of both of your frequencies.

So by joining our intentions in working through this unique partnership that we have, we found a way to also create a third partner, a third component of this partnership. And this is what I consider a conscious coupling.

The Visica Pisces is actually the shape of creation, of union, of new consciousness forming through contrast. So we each contrast each other, but when we come together, we create something completely different, a space that becomes our, our co creation.

And this is what's possible, even though your partner may not want to awaken, but that doesn't mean that it's any less magical. That's what we're discovering.

He brings his frequencies, I bring mine, and we create something completely different in the middle, which is really amazing. Welcome to Howling at the Moon, where the mystical meets the practical and the canine spirit guides lead the way. I'm your host, Heather leigh Strom.

In: 2022

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I'm your host, Heather Lee Strom, and today I thought we would deviate from the norm just a little bit with a very important topic. Sometimes when you start to wake up spiritually, you might be in a relationship with someone who's really not into it.

Maybe someone who's still asleep or literally has no interest in becoming spiritual and enlightening themselves. And this can be really disheartening, frustrating, sometimes agonizing.

I know it was for me and it can, if you allow it, it can be a barrier to your Ability to fully awaken. So I want to talk about this today, and I have some really incredible insights on this dynamic.

And my husband and I, of course, have found our way through this maze and we've discovered some incredible things as we've made our way through this. So I want to share it with you today because so many women are waking up and yet not as many men are.

So we're going to find ourselves in a dynamic where we're coupled with partners that aren't interested in what we're doing. And we're going to discuss whether that's okay or whether we need to make a change. That's an important question.

We all need to have an honesty we all need to have with ourselves and with our partnerships. So let's take a look at this, shall we? So how should you navigate it if your partner doesn't want to venture into this realm of spirituality?

The unknown? Maybe a dynamic history that involves past lives or even lives on other planets. What if they look at you and they think you're crazy?

What are you going to do? You've been in this relationship maybe for a long time, or perhaps you're starting a brand new relationship that you're very excited about.

And this topic actually doesn't only pertain to to a romantic relationship. We could be talking about your family members, your friends, you know, your parents, your siblings, your best friend.

Sometimes this might apply even to a work relationship. So just see where this lands for you.

Because even if you're not in a romantic relationship right now, this is really good information for you in general going forward in how to navigate the relationships you already have before. You change a lot and you will change as you awaken. Trust me.

So we're going to talk a little bit about this and see if we can clarify a few things for you. Okay?

So is it possible to stay in this relationship that you have even though your partner doesn't see eye to eye with your objectives, with what you're going through, maybe what you believe or what you're learning?

Is it really possible for it to succeed or is it doomed and is it time to call it quits and maybe choose a different partner or find your way on your own? That's a good question, and it will always be a question you need to have with yourself before you have this with your partner. But what do you think?

What are your impressions at this moment on this topic? What have you tried in the past? What's worked? What hasn't worked? Have you learned anything about yourself that gives Gravity to this question. Right.

As we experience life, we learn a lot, don't we? So my husband and I, Paul, have been married for 25 years now. So we've been together almost 30.

And my awakening came only just recently, a few years ago, which kind of upended the relationship that we knew. Right. So it changed our dynamic completely. Now he's a very loving, loyal, steady partner. I describe him sometimes as a quarter horse.

He's just not bothered by much. You can always count on him. And he doesn't jump to conclusions or judgments. But yet he doesn't really have an opinion either.

So this can be an easy temperament to work with. So. So this might not be where you find yourself, but he's also an engineer. So he's very left brained.

And no matter what he tries, he can't seem to ease himself out of being very scientific, grounded in fact and proof. And so he has a really hard time.

When I bring forward, bring things forward from the quantum, you know, this doesn't resonate with him very well when I just share with him my history as an interdimensional being, as life having a life on other planets and as another race, you know, this just doesn't go over well with him. It's not his cup of tea. So we've had some real heartfelt questions about what was the best plan of action to take regarding our new alignment.

Because we're still aligned as a couple. But I'm in a totally different place when we made that alignment. So it kind of looks like a, a graph, so to speak, like a jagged graph.

Now because our alignment isn't straight across, that's not unusual. I mean, that's common in many marriages. You have to find your middle ground on many fronts.

So because of this, because we can't give him proof of what I'm experiencing, it's not something that he can just open a book and read or he can experience for himself. Because until you're open, you can't experience it.

So if you don't want to awaken, it's not something you can just jump into and go, yeah, this is real. Yeah, it's not. You have to kind of believe so that you can awaken. But because of this, I consider him a skeptic.

So this becomes almost a polarity for us. Me, I'm open, I'm believing, I'm mystical, magical. I can see things that he can't.

And I can see how the big picture all comes together and works seamlessly together and he can't see Any of that. So. So we are presenting now in our coupling, our marriage and opposite polarity. Basically, I'm one way and he's the other.

And so this can cause a lot of friction because as we go through life, I want to approach life one way and he wants to approach it another. So for some couples, this would be, nope, I'm out of here. You know, I also find that I can't share a lot with him because it overwhelms him.

So I find that I'm holding myself back from the marriage just because it's not something he can even conceptualize what I experience at any given day in my life. So I don't have that partner that I can confide in, I can share with, or that I can go and do activities with.

So I do everything on my own and he does what he likes to do on his own. So can this really work?

As we've navigated through this, we've discovered some really incredible things about this dynamic which I want to share with you today because this might help alleviate some of the pressure, some of the stress, some of the need to feel like you must make a decision or you must have a partner that fits X, Y and Z. Right. Because that's not always possible. But what we found through this process is that we've really grown together.

The more we learn about navigating this dynamic, the stronger it makes us as a couple.

And so we've become really excited about this because we've jumped in with both feet as we learned some really cool things about ourselves and how we interact with each other. And this also helped us to grow as a couple because we both had to find our space.

We had to clearly define who we are, what we're willing for this partnering to look like.

And then from that space, we could then define how do we bring this together, how do we cohabitate in this space and how do we co create in this space? Since we're not on the same page, it kind of makes it harder to co create sometimes. Right? Because our energies aren't always in the same direction.

But one thing that's really important, we have discovered, and we found our way through this almost immediately. You must be fully, I mean, brutally honest and transparent.

So that means first that you have to be honest with yourself, really truly understanding your deep core emotions, your needs, your desires, and then really weighing that against, you know, is that my higher potential purpose coming through or is that my selfish, childish ego coming through? So you really have to balance that information and that takes A lot of practice, maturity, self reflection and deep shadow work.

Honestly, had I not done the shadow work before I got to this point, it probably would not have ended in the same, you know, result. So that's an important factor for you guys to realize.

If you're coming from, you know, the wounded child ego that feels betrayed just because your partner doesn't want to follow in your footsteps, then it's going to become. That's going to become a rift in your marriage. And that's not something your partner can accommodate for. That begins with you, not with them.

So you have to really clearly understand your part and your role and your responsibility in this dynamic in order for it to work, and so your partner does as well. And if you're dealing with a partner who doesn't want to take accountability, that can be really, really hard.

No matter what you do, it may not be possible. So we're going to talk about that a little bit today. We won't go too deep into it, but we'll talk a little bit about what we've discovered.

So we did go. Initially, we had to find our way through the hard question of do we stay together or do we dissolve our union?

So this is important because you don't want to stay in a relationship, in a marriage, in a union of any sort if you're being held back from being who you truly are. So in some relationship dynamics, your partner is not going to want you to change because who you are now feeds you their ego.

It actually feeds their identity. So if you change, they get lost. So if you're in that type of dynamic, that's not going to work, right? We both had to decide or not decide.

We had to learn to just let go of the reins.

So I needed to change quite a lot, which would change the things that we like to do together sometimes, you know, because the old things that were important to me were no longer as important to me. So that would change what I would want to do with my time. You know, we used to do a lot of mountain biking together. That's changed a lot.

I still enjoy it, but it doesn't consume my life like it used to. So that was a big change for us. So my husband Paul had to be comfortable doing some of those activities by himself or finding a buddy.

And that was something that brought us together. So. So that's a core value within our relationship, within our marriage that we had to shift a little bit.

It's important that you're both able to identify your own lane, identify your own entity Your own being without the other person and then be able to come together in some sort of middle ground and enjoy that middle ground together.

There's an amount of maturity that's necessary from both parties to own yourself, be accountable for who you are, your emotions, you know, your baggage, your shadows that you need to address. And as long as the two of you are able to do this for yourselves, then coming together shouldn't be a problem. Right?

But we had that uncomfortable conversation many a times. What do we do?

And so we came up with a litmus test which I'm not going to share with you today, but it's a five question test that we just check in with. Not together necessarily, but on our own. We'll check in with this test on our own to say, okay, is this still working?

If we answer no to any of the questions, then it's something that we need to look at again. If we answer yes to each of the questions, then we're good to proceed.

So this is something we've sort of stumbled into throughout this process, which we will be sharing, but not today. One thing we had discovered in this process is how magical this scenario can be.

I really was upset at first because I wanted someone to share my experience with. I wanted my partner to be as passionate about what I was passionate about as I was. Right. Because then we could do things together.

We could meditate together, we could write books together, we could do plant medicine together, we could channel together, you know, go to all these workshops together, travel the world and enjoy. Enjoy the same things. Right? Sounds like a fairy tale, doesn't it? But what we discovered is that what we're creating is just as powerful as that.

And it's a win win for both of us. And it doesn't hold us back, either one of us. And it allows us to nurture each other. And that was earth shattering when we finally figured this out.

And I'm going to share that magic with you in a moment.

But right now I want to be sure and stress that I'm not saying you should stay in a relationship with someone who's abusive or oppressive or in no way has your best interest in mind. If you are going through an awakening, you need to feel safe.

If your partner doesn't create that safe space for you, no matter what their opinion is, if you don't feel safe, you can't stay. Basically, you've got to be. If you're going through an awakening, lot's going to change for you. You're going to become very vulnerable.

You need to be vulnerable. When you're doing, going through your shadow work, many scary things will come up, possibly painful things.

And you need to be in an environment where you feel supported, loved, nurtured.

So even if your spouse, your, or maybe your partner or your best friend or your family, even if they don't agree with what you're going through, if they're not able to provide that feeling of safety for you, then you really need to make a decision. And it needs to be only for you, the best thing for you, not for anyone else. So consider that as I go through the rest of this show.

All right, now, the really exciting thing that we discovered is that totally accidentally we were creating a Visica Pisces. Do you know what I mean by this? It's a sacred geometry element, a symbol. The Visica Pisces is two circles that come together partially, right?

They overlap and they form a third space. Now, I'm a Pisces, so that made sense to me.

But in this space of overlap where the two circles become one, basically you're birthing a third space between the two spaces, right? So each of us individually holds our own sovereignty, right? Our own circle.

If you, if a circle represents your own individual sovereignty, then you each have a circle.

When you bring these two circles together and they overlap just a little bit in the middle, you're creating a circle third essence, a third frequency that combines pieces of both of your frequency.

So by joining our intentions in working through this unique partnership that we have, we found a way to also create a third component of this partnership. And this is what I consider a conscious coupling, right?

Because consciously we are together, consciously we support each other, consciously we allow each other to be who we need to be. And through this overlapping third essence of us, we've created a space for both of us to come together, basically. Really.

Now, the Visica Pisces is actually the shape of creation, of union, of new consciousness forming through contrast. So we each contrast each other, right? Because we're not the same.

But when we come together, we create something completely different, a space that becomes our co creation essentially. So it would be like having a yin yang symbol that had a baby in the middle, right?

For those of you who've had children, couples weave this Visica Pisces as they bring their essence together and. And they create a completely separate third essence. This is your Visica Pisces. So this is really powerful. And this is what's possible.

Even though your partner may not want to awaken and your partner's goal in this Life may not be to awaken, but that doesn't mean that it's an any less magical union. Actually, that's what we're discovering.

So if Paul did intend to come here to awaken and then suddenly changed his mind, which we all have the right to do, that doesn't mean I don't still have the space, the frequency, and the support to do what I need to do. Right. That's. That's pretty incredible.

So in this equation we've both discovered, we each bring our own focus, our own energies, and our own structure to the equation. And then together, we weave a really beautiful harmony with it. So it's like creating a song or creating a painting.

You know, he brings his frequencies, I bring mine, and we create something completely different in the middle, which is really amazing. You know, we don't have children. So for this type of creation is really powerful.

And this becomes an option or an alternative that I never considered possible before.

And to me, it's really magical because, you know, I still have that masculine container that I need for my feminine creation, because my husband just naturally holds that space. He just holds the frequency. He's the grounding rod. He's my north star.

So no matter what I'm doing in the world, no matter where I'm at in my journey, he's always at my true north. I know where I'm coming home to. All right?

Even though he says he doesn't want to awaken and he doesn't want to be this mystical, magical person, as I'm elevating my frequency by default, he has to elevate his frequency, too, to keep up, so that he can stay and share the same space. Now, he's not aware of this, but his soul allows it to happen because on a subconscious level, it is necessary to a certain extent.

The soul knows more than the conscious mind does. And sometimes the soul will agree to participate on an unconscious level with this type of progression.

And that can be really magical too, because then he doesn't feel threatened by it, but yet he is still kind of keeping pace. We've noticed this, and we're going to share this in great detail.

Now, what's also magical is that this whole conscious coupling that we've fallen into was disclosed to me through one of the canine spirit guides. It was a new K9 spirit guide that came through, and her name is Zäryn, and she's really amazing. And she actually specializes in this very thing.

If you've listened to my radio show, you might have met her already. I'm not going to be introducing her to day because we already have enough to talk about, but I will be introducing her soon.

Now, as I've mentioned in conversation, this topic and the discoveries we've made to other people, there's been a lot of interest, a lot of interest in, well, how are you doing that? Or how do you make it work, or how do you know when.

So my husband and I realized there's a need for this type of conversation, there's a need for this type of knowledge. So we're going to be addressing this in a new podcast we're having together, we're creating together.

The podcast is called the mystic and the Skeptic. Guess who the mystic is? Yours truly. And the skeptic is, of course, my husband.

And we're going to talk about all things that are possible when one soul awakens and the partner doesn't. And we'll explore the beauty of it, the heartbreak of it, the humor in it, and also the humor in bridging two very different worlds in one marriage.

Because it can be a really beautiful dynamic. We're going to share the ups and the downs and the paradoxes of our unique conscious coupling. And it's going to be a raw and real program.

We're going to embrace everything that comes up.

That means if we argue or if we have a tough time or if something painful comes up or scary comes up, we're going to be addressing it right there on the show.

We want to be totally transparent with our audience because I think this is really important for people to understand, for you to be able to see this process in other people so that you know you're not alone, so that you know that what you're going through is part of a very healthy process. And we're all human, right? And sometimes things are really tough, ugly, messy, uncomfortable and not fun at all.

But that's where the real growth happens. So if you run from it or avoid it, you deny yourself the change or you deny yourself the chance to grow into an even more enlightened person. Right?

The goal of our show of this new podcast, mystic and the Skeptic, is to assist you in navigating your relationship through this sometimes scary, tense, emotional time.

So each episode will be accompanied by an easy to follow exercise or maybe an exploration or even a meditation to help you and maybe your partner, if your partner is willing to find that middle ground for both of you to find your Vesica Pisces, or for you to align with a soul connected direction for yourself, whatever that may look like. So be sure and check it out.

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I do my own thing, Howling at the Moon, where I introduce all the incredible canine spirit guides that are coming through the interdimensional frequencies that are here to assist humanity through this very thing, this awakening process. And also I have occasional incredible spiritual guests to share with you. So be sure and stay up to date on this podcast as well.

Now, Zäryn would like to offer everybody who's listening today a very special activation.

Even though we didn't introduce her today, she's jumping at the bit, but she wants to help those of you who feel like you are being challenged in your relationship with your partner as far as being in totally different worlds, having different objectives in life. And so I will be linking her meditation activation in this description of this show. So be sure and check that out if you'd like to experience that.

It's free. You just have to follow the link to get to it.

Okay, so hopefully this left you wanting more because I have more to share with you, of course, about Zäryn. And then we have the new podcast coming up.

So all those links will be in the description and you can always find information on my webpage heatherleighstrom.com but that's all for now folks. Thank you so much for watching, watching and listening. I'm your host, Heather Leigh Strom.

So no matter where you are, beautiful soul, don't forget this. You are amazing. You are magical. You are powerful beyond measure. And as always, elevate your frequency and transform your reality.

Make your life magical. Love ya. Thank you for joining me today.

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And I'm Paul, the Skeptic.

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We've been together for almost 30 years. I live in a magical world filled with synchronicities, messages, mirrors, and cosmic wisdom.

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I live rooted in logic, science, data, and spreadsheets, very tethered to visible reality.

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And yet together, we make it work.

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We support each other, knowing we're on different journeys with different perspectives and purposes.

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We created this podcast to help you find your own middle ground, whether you're in a relationship, a marriage, or a partnership. To offer tools and conversations for navigating the friction that can arise when awakening.

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Happens at different speeds or doesn't happen at all. We'll share what we've discovered in our own conscious coupling and give you insights, practices, and clarity that have the potential.

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To support your union at a whole new level of consciousness and respect. Keep in mind, we are not licensed therapists.

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We're just sharing our personal experiences with you.

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Welcome to the mystic and the Skeptic.